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Old 03-27-2020, 04:10 PM
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I wasn't sure due to the lighting and shadows. Believe it or not, the Jug was covered in silver Ultracote in individual panels sanded in different directions for the effect then Klass Kote paint for all the markings,stripes and weathering.
This why I leave the scale stuff to you guys (experts) and the easy pattern birds for me.
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Right and left Wing Tip Glare Shields installed...







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Originally Posted by VincentJ


Right and left Wing Tip Glare Shields installed...






That's the kind of detail that a real life pilot can appreciate!

Strobes can be very annoying at night without those things although they're pretty useless in a cloud where the light just bounces back at you. When that happens you can turn the strobes off since you and all other aircraft need to be on IFR anyway in such conditions.

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I think tomorrow I can start applying rivets!



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Nice detail!
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The time has come to apply the rivets. Time to add some bling to this wing!!!





These are the tools that I use to apply the rivets. Notables are the Pencil Point Tip Soldering Iron, and Exacto Knife with #11 blade...




I remember many years ago when I first decided to try this method of riveting, I wondered how I was going to get each individual rivet out of the plastic dish? If my memory serves me, at that moment my knife slipped out of my hand and into the dish with rivets...low and behold, one rivet had stuck to the knifes sharp point!




Each rivet is carefully placed on the pencil line. Gently press the tip of the soldering iron on each rivet head for one second (one thousand one). The heat from the soldering iron will be transferred through the rivet head softening the primed surface beneath the rivet. The primer will actually act as a glue and lock the rivet in place! Warning too much heat will blister the paint and ruin the surface.































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Originally Posted by VincentJ
The time has come to apply the rivets. Time to add some bling to this wing!!!





These are the tools that I use to apply the rivets. Notables are the Pencil Point Tip Soldering Iron, and Exacto Knife with #11 blade...




I remember many years ago when I first decided to try this method of riveting, I wondered how I was going to get each individual rivet out of the plastic dish? If my memory serves me, at that moment my knife slipped out of my hand and into the dish with rivets...low and behold, one rivet had stuck to the knifes sharp point!




Each rivet is carefully placed on the pencil line. Gently press the tip of the soldering iron on each rivet head for one second (one thousand one). The heat from the soldering iron will be transferred through the rivet head softening the primed surface beneath the rivet. The primer will actually act as a glue and lock the rivet in place! Warning too much heat will blister the paint and ruin the surface.






























Now THAT is a great idea for rivets!!! Certainly looks a ton more realistic than those stamped things from an adhesive backed plastic film that you can buy.
Yours are domed and look correct while the plasic film stuff looks like flat little discs and nothing like any rivets I've ever seen.
The dabs of glue method in one way looks a bit more natural than the discs, but the consistency usually isn't there and ends up looking free-handed (which it is).
If you could mass produce those things, I bet you you'd have a market for them!

DAYUM!!! ...that looks pleasing to the eye!!!

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I think after all that I would need a seeing eye dog!
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I think after all that I would need a seeing eye dog!
Even if it came to needing a seeing eye dog, you would have a piece of art that you could enjoy in braille!
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Originally Posted by airsteve172
Even if it came to needing a seeing eye dog, you would have a piece of art that you could enjoy in braille!
Thank you Steve. Earlier on I had said that I was going to show a method that I thought produced the most realistic rivets, now you can see why. Is it labor intensive? Yes, you bet, but for me it's part of the whole enjoyable process of building.

BTW your last comment left me wiping coffee off the screen of my monitor...

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Today I completed the top right side!



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Old 03-30-2020, 09:00 PM
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That’s an interesting riveting technique with very good looking and convincing results!

Your previous models where you have used the same riveting technique, have you flown any of them and if so, how do these ‘rivets’ stand up to normal flying wear-and-tear?
Do you clean the model after flight any differently than you would clean any other model?
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Originally Posted by EF
That’s an interesting riveting technique with very good looking and convincing results!

Your previous models where you have used the same riveting technique, have you flown any of them and if so, how do these ‘rivets’ stand up to normal flying wear-and-tear?
Do you clean the model after flight any differently than you would clean any other model?
Great question Erez, While the primer temporarily holds the rivets in place, it's the top coat of paint over the rivets that locks them permanently down. After the model is painted, you could't remove those rivets if you wanted to.

I have used them on many of my other models and have flown them. A few of them over 10 years old. Clean-up is no different, as I said they're not coming off.

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Started on the bottom of the wing...








One at a time!

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Today's progress...I had to reopen the rivet factory because I ran out!







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That is a lot of rivets!
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Vince...that riveting is insane! Would you be able to post a close-up of the dies you are using for your rivets? Do the dies cut the litho or simply knock them through. Sorry if I’m missing anything obvious here but I’m fascinated by your technique and would like to thoroughly understand how you get such uniform rivets.
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Originally Posted by Bobcat53
Vince...that riveting is insane! Would you be able to post a close-up of the dies you are using for your rivets? Do the dies cut the litho or simply knock them through. Sorry if I’m missing anything obvious here but I’m fascinated by your technique and would like to thoroughly understand how you get such uniform rivets.





Both die are made from 4-40 rod, the one on the left will produce a domed rivet while the one on the right will produce a flat rivet. If you want a rivet with more or less of a dome all you have to do is file the end to the shape that you want.




Both die are a few inches long, I placed tape on one end to remind me that's the side to hit with the hammer...




Note the cork behind the litho plate. You can produce rivets from empty soda or beer cans as well.




I knocked out two rivets, one flat , the other domed.




A subtle detail that will give you a totally different look.
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Thanks Vince, those photos are great and really clarify how you make those rivets. 4-40 rod added to shopping list!
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Bobcat, just so you're aware, you can also make smaller scale rivets by using 2-56 rod too!
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Cheers Vince
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Originally Posted by VincentJ
Bobcat, just so you're aware, you can also make smaller scale rivets by using 2-56 rod too!
l suspect that a ‘rivet’ that size, would equate to a scale at which it would not be correct to scale if you could see the rivet on the model without your nose practically touching the model...
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Erez, you are correct. Sometimes you have to build it "wrong" to make it look right.
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Originally Posted by VincentJ
Erez, you are correct. Sometimes you have to build it "wrong" to make it look right.
l totally agree, I usually aim to create an air of realism rather than strive for absolute technical accuracy.
Will give this technique a try when I get around to building my TF Cessna 182.


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