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Old 11-17-2019, 06:36 AM
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So the bump on the 65 is pretty pronounced
but the 80 not so much. Is that correct
Old 11-17-2019, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Gary, that one got missed at Sceptre Flight, the two they did test had 15.5 to 1 compression for the first and 12.5 to 1 for the second. It would be nice if the articles had dates on them, only a few do.
Actually Sceptreflight shows 12.7:1 for the early version 65, 10.5:1 for the next generation and 8.6:1 for the updated version. Perhaps the only change was the height of the humpty bump?

Interesting too is that the author, or someone else, included prop/rpm data for an OS fs61 in the Saito 65 (updated) article.

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Old 11-17-2019, 07:54 AM
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Now you dweebs are making me have to go out to my trailer and pull the T-clips to see what 65 I have in there!
Old 11-17-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Now you dweebs are making me have to go out to my trailer and pull the T-clips to see what 65 I have in there!
And I'm sure the weather will be total crap when you do!
Old 11-17-2019, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
And I'm sure the weather will be total crap when you do!
Good guess. I want to run up that YS63 today as well.

Freezing rain and snow forecast for today.
Old 11-17-2019, 09:25 AM
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I am trying to combat that nasty crap we get by building a test cell in my shop. Should be great for tacking and performance checks I have three large fluorescent lights above the test cell for good lighting for good tacking information man I am so happy and anxious to get this done
Old 11-17-2019, 09:29 AM
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Just for kicks, point your tach at the lights and see what their speed is.
Old 11-17-2019, 09:41 AM
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I was hoping for a couple other loyal Saito fans to say are you crazy. Lol
almost as bad as tacking a 3 blade on the two blade setting.
Old 11-17-2019, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Actually Sceptreflight shows 12.7:1 for the early version 65, 10.5:1 for the next generation and 8.6:1 for the updated version. Perhaps the only change was the height of the humpty bump?

Interesting too is that the author, or someone else, included prop/rpm data for an OS fs61 in the Saito 65 (updated) article.
I must have a later version 65. It has a standard flat piston head as I recall. The box states Heim head, high powered, high cam series and has an X stamped on its mounting lug. One of the few engines I purchased new.
Old 11-17-2019, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Glowgeek
Actually Sceptreflight shows 12.7:1 for the early version 65, 10.5:1 for the next generation and 8.6:1 for the updated version. Perhaps the only change was the height of the humpty bump?

Interesting too is that the author, or someone else, included prop/rpm data for an OS fs61 in the Saito 65 (updated) article.

I was hesitant to say that because the pages weren't dated unless I missed them.Some of those weren't very good reviewers. The 15.5 to one was in reference to the 80 only.

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Old 11-17-2019, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
I was hesitant to say that because the pages weren't dated unless I missed them.Some of those weren't very good reviewers. The 15.5 to one was in reference to the 80 only.
As you noted, only one review was dated. I just figured Saito lowered compression with each release. I'm sure there were many complaints early on.
Old 11-17-2019, 01:14 PM
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Yeah
I can see where the 80 would have that problem at 15-1
that high of compression the darn thing probably wouldn’t idle just like my 180hc
any way I will leave out the shim for now and see how it does. If it doesn’t work well I will put the shim back in.
Old 11-17-2019, 05:08 PM
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Very precise.



None were a problem, I never could understand that line of thinking. Extra nitro methane costs more than higher compression. The 80 runs beautifully on 5% but runs well on 10% if you avoid a lean setting. Oh well, all that matters is our individual choices.

The 1.30 has 12.8 to 1 compression.

I took Gary's sage advice and bought some Dubro 2-56 Swivel Ball Links for my throttle linkages. I had some Hobby-Lobby ones but few had the threaded hole anywhere near the center. These are perfectly centered.

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Old 11-17-2019, 06:04 PM
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Those Dubros are what I use in my gassers, the 4-40 size for control surfaces and 2-56 for throttle linkage.

2-56 control rods for control surfaces in my smaller planes get sullivan or dubro metal clevises. On those I use blue loctite instead of a jam nut to keep engine vibrations from ruining the threads and stripping out.
Old 11-18-2019, 03:04 AM
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Well I had a busy day Sunday cleaned up and put new bearings in three engines and freed up another.
I don’t know what y’all use for cleaning, I used a crockpot and antifreeze on a couple engines like Acdii said it took the black right off the gold night head but not the case, that’s ok I have a idea for this engine when I make sure it runs I will take a pic of it in the plane. Anyway the 100 is now dole looking and 80 is normal.

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Old 11-18-2019, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Quikturn




I must have a later version 65. It has a standard flat piston head as I recall. The box states Heim head, high powered, high cam series and has an X stamped on its mounting lug. One of the few engines I purchased new.

That's the first X I've seen, did that muffler and pipe come with it? Thanks I love my PSP.

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Old 11-18-2019, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44
Well I had a busy day Sunday cleaned up and put new bearings in three engines and freed up another.
I don’t know what y’all use for cleaning, I used a crockpot and antifreeze on a couple engines like Acdii said it took the black right off the gold night head but not the case, that’s ok I have a idea for this engine when I make sure it runs I will take a pic of it in the plane. Anyway the 100 is now dole looking and 80 is normal.
Is the 100 the one the coating came off, Thanks
Old 11-18-2019, 03:46 AM
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Does the PSP clamp the lugs with that two hole bendable bar? What size are those screws?
Old 11-18-2019, 03:46 AM
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Crunchy, I've had engines come out of crock dull looking too. Seems like if they're old dull looking engines to begin with the antifreeze does little to brighten them up.

I use the standard green antifreeze and set my crock for 170°f. After 24 hours all of the black burnt on castor comes off. The Golden Knight paint has not come off using this method.

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Old 11-18-2019, 03:53 AM
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I'll get that for you in a while, I suppose they are bendable, I've managed to never bend them. The Super Tigre 4500 completely fills the space between the bolts. PSP offers notched bars for the Saito 125 for example, but you can't buy anything from their site right now. I notched my own.
Old 11-18-2019, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbsy
Is the 100 the one the coating came off, Thanks
no the old 50 paint came of the head the 100 is just a dull paint look now.
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Thanks Dave, Is the bar steel or aluminum?
Old 11-18-2019, 04:26 AM
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They are some kind of hard aluminum, I have flexed them on a small engines mount lugs but they never stay flexed.
Old 11-18-2019, 05:54 AM
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Hey All
I have a FA 80 that is giving me fits tuning after repairs
Does anyone know what the factory setting of the low speed needle is in turns, rather than depth in its receipt?
Old 11-18-2019, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyjinx
Hey All
I have a FA 80 that is giving me fits tuning after repairs
Does anyone know what the factory setting of the low speed needle is in turns, rather than depth in its receipt?
if it has steel throttle arm you should start with that low speed flush if it has plastic the low-speed is an 8th inch below. That’s about the best place to start and a1/16 turn is a lot.
also when you Overhaul the engine did you overhaul the carburetor also the gasket on the high-speed needle gets dried out and the low-speed needle and those two combined will give you fits if they have a been replaced in a while

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